[ it's something like 40 minutes before he responds. if it's after 5, he's pretty much guaranteed to be a in a bar somewhere, and checking messages isn't high on his list of priorities. ]
I don't know that I would be the best resource for that topic, but yes, we can discuss it.
[ "magic"?? and she accused him of using unscientific terms? ]
If that's the case, I'm sure it's because the "supernatural" can be categorized and understood logically after a certain point. What we're calling magic is really just phenomena we don't understand yet.
[ she still thinks that, even with magic being real here and everything. It has to have an explanation somewhere underneath the fairy dust and glowing special effects. ]
I'm still looking to understand how we arrived here. It might seem basic, but without that bottom line, I'm not sure how much work I can put into getting us back out of here.
[ that particular question, though, even if he is curious about it all, isn't one he's necessarily so eager to answer. reading between the lines of his conversation with the good dr. mathis made it fairly clear that the only thing he has to look forward to when he goes back to elympios is being killed and used as someone else's ticket into canaan, and as little as he likes this place, it's still preferable to that. ]
You're not buying the stories they told us, then, I take it?
I might believe it if I had any evidence whatsoever that they were telling the truth. The only part of their story that's provably true is that they've taken us, or our consciousness, and put us somewhere else.
[ Kurisu is very much a hard evidence person, but even so... Their attitude and the nonstop danger and casual threats to their lives by CERES don't reflect well on their honesty, either. ]
Indeed. The more evidence we gather, the more it seems to invalidate the information they gave us.
[ unfortunately, perhaps. he takes another drink. ]
Whatever their method of bringing us here, it doesn't seem to bear much similarity to the dimensional travel we're used to, if that was one of the things you were wondering.
It doesn't. That's why I was wondering if [ urgh ] magic might be involved somehow. Doing something like this would be essentially impossible on my own world.
Let's not throw that word around unless we have to. [ it's embarrassing. unlike soul purification and spirits granting wishes, obviously. ] If I recall correctly, there actually was one fractured dimension in which we found that an old civilization had stored the memories and images of its people as data.
[ the guardian of that data had been a waymarker to canaan, which was all he would have cared about at the time even if he'd been there himself. ]
Of course those ruins had already collapsed in the prime dimension, so the only information I have on them comes from the poorly written report the agent handed in.
[ there are two people here who did go on that mission, but he's never evaluated either of them to be particularly bright, and a conversation with either would be a chore. he doesn't know if he cares that much. ]
Civilization on your world must be incredibly old if ancient cultures had access to that kind of technology. Anyway, the idea of storing data like that isn't new to me. It's a common part of everyday life where I'm from.
The part that confuses me is being able to traverse between dimensions without memory loss. I would think that you and your agent would both forget the mission entirely the moment you changed world lines.
[ rude, don't just brush off his contribution to the conversation. if that kind of technology is really commonplace in her world -- which he chooses to doubt!! -- she should agree that that's what they should be focusing on here. ]
Why would there be any loss of memory? It's not as if we're taking the place of our counterparts who exist in that dimension. We're physically entering it and existing alongside them.
[ wait, actually, okabe said that hashida built a machine like that in the future, and that's how amane came back to talk to him... it sounds insane, but she has no reason to doubt Okabe, even if he's an idiot. ]
Isn't that dangerous? You could cause a time paradox.
That's fine. But I would assume that it would cause some sort of destabilization while you were there. I guess I'd be wrong. Physical movement across timelines is still a new concept for me, so bear with me.
It's only the prime dimension in which two of the same thing can't exist at the same time.
With that said, I think you're focusing on the wrong thing here. Do you really think we've been physically relocated to this place from our own worlds?
[ wtf does she think they have them all piled up in a warehouse somewhere or something... ]
There's one person here from my world, from the prime dimension, who came here from a later point on our timeline than I did. Apparently I still existed in that world after coming here, because he encountered me again at a later point of which I have no memory. Beyond that, he claims to have gone back to our world only to end up here again.
Doesn't that sound to you as if it's more likely that we never truly left at all?
Don't forget that they're willingly bending space and time to bring us here. What seems like a contradiction to you might simply be a difference of timelines.
I'm not sure what the alternative to being physically brought here would be, anyway.
I can say with some certainty that that was the same timeline. There's only one in which the Land of Canaan can exist.
An alternative would be that we really are constructed from data they gathered. Not backup copies as they implied, but additional copies of the same files, saved in a different location, while the originals remain where they were.
[ god that sounds like something okabe would make up... it keeps happening. but she bites her tongue. ]
That could be true. If we go with that assumption, though, it would render any attemps at escaping and returning to "normal life" moot, so I've been ignoring it.
[ even he would acknowledge that that part sounds like fairytale bullshit, though it isn't. that giant space fetus is 100% real. (what the fuck is this game.) ]
So you're ignoring what little factual evidence there is in order to cling to your hope of succeeding in those attempts.
The word of those we knew before coming here, with whom we can compare experiences and timelines. I consider the information I was given by that person from my world to be more reliable evidence than anything else I've found here.
[ which it fucking pains him to say because he hates that kid, but he is a researcher too, and has a little bit of experience with fractured dimensions, and is enough of a goody two-shoes that he's probably incapable of lying. ]
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I don't know that I would be the best resource for that topic, but yes, we can discuss it.
[ "magic"?? and she accused him of using unscientific terms? ]
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You're the best resource that I know at the moment.
The work you've done involves some amount of research on "magic" / supernatural phenomena as it relates to dimensional shifts, correct?
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anyway, that's close enough to a compliment that he's more willing to respond quickly this time. ]
I suppose so. The line between science and the "supernatural" isn't so clear the further you delve into it.
What sort of phenomena are you looking into?
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[ she still thinks that, even with magic being real here and everything. It has to have an explanation somewhere underneath the fairy dust and glowing special effects. ]
I'm still looking to understand how we arrived here. It might seem basic, but without that bottom line, I'm not sure how much work I can put into getting us back out of here.
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[ that particular question, though, even if he is curious about it all, isn't one he's necessarily so eager to answer. reading between the lines of his conversation with the good dr. mathis made it fairly clear that the only thing he has to look forward to when he goes back to elympios is being killed and used as someone else's ticket into canaan, and as little as he likes this place, it's still preferable to that. ]
You're not buying the stories they told us, then, I take it?
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[ Kurisu is very much a hard evidence person, but even so... Their attitude and the nonstop danger and casual threats to their lives by CERES don't reflect well on their honesty, either. ]
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[ unfortunately, perhaps. he takes another drink. ]
Whatever their method of bringing us here, it doesn't seem to bear much similarity to the dimensional travel we're used to, if that was one of the things you were wondering.
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[ the guardian of that data had been a waymarker to canaan, which was all he would have cared about at the time even if he'd been there himself. ]
Of course those ruins had already collapsed in the prime dimension, so the only information I have on them comes from the poorly written report the agent handed in.
[ there are two people here who did go on that mission, but he's never evaluated either of them to be particularly bright, and a conversation with either would be a chore. he doesn't know if he cares that much. ]
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Thank you. That'd be a small comfort.
Civilization on your world must be incredibly old if ancient cultures had access to that kind of technology. Anyway, the idea of storing data like that isn't new to me. It's a common part of everyday life where I'm from.
The part that confuses me is being able to traverse between dimensions without memory loss. I would think that you and your agent would both forget the mission entirely the moment you changed world lines.
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Why would there be any loss of memory? It's not as if we're taking the place of our counterparts who exist in that dimension. We're physically entering it and existing alongside them.
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[ wait, actually, okabe said that hashida built a machine like that in the future, and that's how amane came back to talk to him... it sounds insane, but she has no reason to doubt Okabe, even if he's an idiot. ]
Isn't that dangerous? You could cause a time paradox.
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With that said, I think you're focusing on the wrong thing here. Do you really think we've been physically relocated to this place from our own worlds?
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Do you believe something else?
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There's one person here from my world, from the prime dimension, who came here from a later point on our timeline than I did. Apparently I still existed in that world after coming here, because he encountered me again at a later point of which I have no memory. Beyond that, he claims to have gone back to our world only to end up here again.
Doesn't that sound to you as if it's more likely that we never truly left at all?
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Don't forget that they're willingly bending space and time to bring us here. What seems like a contradiction to you might simply be a difference of timelines.
I'm not sure what the alternative to being physically brought here would be, anyway.
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I can say with some certainty that that was the same timeline. There's only one in which the Land of Canaan can exist.
An alternative would be that we really are constructed from data they gathered. Not backup copies as they implied, but additional copies of the same files, saved in a different location, while the originals remain where they were.
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[ god that sounds like something okabe would make up... it keeps happening. but she bites her tongue. ]
That could be true. If we go with that assumption, though, it would render any attemps at escaping and returning to "normal life" moot, so I've been ignoring it.
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So you're ignoring what little factual evidence there is in order to cling to your hope of succeeding in those attempts.
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And what evidence is there? CERES' word? We already know they're lying to us.
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[ which it fucking pains him to say because he hates that kid, but he is a researcher too, and has a little bit of experience with fractured dimensions, and is enough of a goody two-shoes that he's probably incapable of lying. ]